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	<title>Comments on: Google&#8217;s Custom Search Engines run amuck!</title>
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	<description>The most wonderful search engines you've never seen!</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kamau Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.altsearchengines.com/2007/09/04/googles-custom-search-engines-run-amuck/comment-page-1/#comment-7073</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamau Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there can be no disagreement
that a tool is limited by the skill of the user.
(People have built monuments AND smashed their
own finger with hammers.)

The criticisms I've seen on the Google tool tend
to use the a user's lack of skill as a critique of
the tool itself.

I think that if a site owner is an authority or
subject matter expert with adequate tech skills
as well, she can enhance her users experience in the
following way...

Given that a site has been around awhile offering
content and interacting with a core user group, the owner
should know:
the users demographics, goals and information requirements,
what content they access most,
what sites they arrive from,
where they go when they leave,
the search terms made to get to the site and 
the ones they use while there.

With a comprehensive keyword research performed
in addition to what is now known (or inferred)...

I think that owner would have sufficent relevant
queries to run against a meta-engine (Dogpile?)and come up with
a core group of a couple of thousand sites to use as
a foundation for providing the JIT information requirements
of the overwhelming majority of their users.

Users behavior against the core group of sites can be then
used as a basis for expansion.

This, I think, addresses the filtering problem as well 
as the base problem of providing a good list of relevant sites.

Admittedly, I only spent 10 minutes working on this so I welcome
any reponses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there can be no disagreement<br />
that a tool is limited by the skill of the user.<br />
(People have built monuments AND smashed their<br />
own finger with hammers.)</p>
<p>The criticisms I&#8217;ve seen on the Google tool tend<br />
to use the a user&#8217;s lack of skill as a critique of<br />
the tool itself.</p>
<p>I think that if a site owner is an authority or<br />
subject matter expert with adequate tech skills<br />
as well, she can enhance her users experience in the<br />
following way&#8230;</p>
<p>Given that a site has been around awhile offering<br />
content and interacting with a core user group, the owner<br />
should know:<br />
the users demographics, goals and information requirements,<br />
what content they access most,<br />
what sites they arrive from,<br />
where they go when they leave,<br />
the search terms made to get to the site and<br />
the ones they use while there.</p>
<p>With a comprehensive keyword research performed<br />
in addition to what is now known (or inferred)&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that owner would have sufficent relevant<br />
queries to run against a meta-engine (Dogpile?)and come up with<br />
a core group of a couple of thousand sites to use as<br />
a foundation for providing the JIT information requirements<br />
of the overwhelming majority of their users.</p>
<p>Users behavior against the core group of sites can be then<br />
used as a basis for expansion.</p>
<p>This, I think, addresses the filtering problem as well<br />
as the base problem of providing a good list of relevant sites.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I only spent 10 minutes working on this so I welcome<br />
any reponses.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.altsearchengines.com/2007/09/04/googles-custom-search-engines-run-amuck/comment-page-1/#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't always agree with you, but I see that you are objective in your 
postings. Despite the differences I still enjoy reading your posts and I 
often learn even when our viewpoints are different. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t always agree with you, but I see that you are objective in your<br />
postings. Despite the differences I still enjoy reading your posts and I<br />
often learn even when our viewpoints are different. <img src='http://www.altsearchengines.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Babak</title>
		<link>http://www.altsearchengines.com/2007/09/04/googles-custom-search-engines-run-amuck/comment-page-1/#comment-6794</link>
		<dc:creator>Babak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google CSE just applies a filter on its index; it does not have any originality and is as good as the author understanding and knowledge about the subject. As a user, I do not trust search results on a CSE and it can not be as good as comprehensive web search. Knowing that Internet today is extremely dynamic, it would be a huge problem for the author to compile a good list of relevant web sites.

I believe Google CSE is not a vertical and should not be categorized as a stand alone search engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google CSE just applies a filter on its index; it does not have any originality and is as good as the author understanding and knowledge about the subject. As a user, I do not trust search results on a CSE and it can not be as good as comprehensive web search. Knowing that Internet today is extremely dynamic, it would be a huge problem for the author to compile a good list of relevant web sites.</p>
<p>I believe Google CSE is not a vertical and should not be categorized as a stand alone search engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ran Geva</title>
		<link>http://www.altsearchengines.com/2007/09/04/googles-custom-search-engines-run-amuck/comment-page-1/#comment-6720</link>
		<dc:creator>Ran Geva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good vertical search engine isn't just a search engine that cover a niche of information. A vertical search engine should apply specific considerations (algorithms) when returning results. Searching in news articles or blogs shouldn't be the same as in discussions. Each resource has different categorizations and properties needed to take into account. Granted, Google searches it all (blogs, news, groups etc.) but it applies the same considerations when extracting information (Page rank) and where page rank works great on web-pages it doesn't on discussions based sites. It is not enough to divide the information into pieces, you should also handle it differently. So no, I don't see CSE working in the long run :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good vertical search engine isn&#8217;t just a search engine that cover a niche of information. A vertical search engine should apply specific considerations (algorithms) when returning results. Searching in news articles or blogs shouldn&#8217;t be the same as in discussions. Each resource has different categorizations and properties needed to take into account. Granted, Google searches it all (blogs, news, groups etc.) but it applies the same considerations when extracting information (Page rank) and where page rank works great on web-pages it doesn&#8217;t on discussions based sites. It is not enough to divide the information into pieces, you should also handle it differently. So no, I don&#8217;t see CSE working in the long run <img src='http://www.altsearchengines.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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